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 Post subject: Things of the spirit
PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:26 pm 
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It is most often claimed that Benjamin Franklin was a Deist, and he certainly was for a while. He is most famously quoted for saying,
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Some books against Deism fell into my hands; they were said to be the substance of the sermons which had been preached at Boyle’s Lectures. It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them. For the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to be much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist.

But people tend to hear what they want to hear. Those who wish to claim Franklin, a favorite and famous founder, as a Deist stop quoting right here. Franklin's autobiography, however, goes on to say,
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My arguments perverted some others, particularly Collins and Ralph; but each of these having wronged me greatly without the least compunction, and recollecting Keith’s conduct towards me (who was another freethinker), and my own towards Vernon and Miss Read, which at times gave me great trouble, I began to suspect that this doctrine, though it might be true, was not very useful.

I would have to agree with Franklin in one respect. Merely believing in God based on reason is not enough. Unless Deism has meaning for us in our lives, it is indeed not very useful. I heard someone note on another board that arguing over definitions was not very interesting. If Deism is not a matter of the spirit, what good is it?

I find the lack of guilt, the feeling of freedom and the sense of awe and wonder that Deism inspires in me to be far superior to any prior religious experience. Deism is a celebration of nature. How could anything be more spiritual? What could be more inspiring?

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 Post subject: Re: Things of the spirit
PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:26 am 
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I agree, and I think that a "healthy" human mind needs spirituality to a certain degree.

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 Post subject: Re: Things of the spirit
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I must say that spirituality, philosophy, and/or religion are all useless if they do not take on meaning in our lives. I don't see a point in having a thought or opinion unless it is used in one's life in some shape or manner.

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 Post subject: Re: Things of the spirit
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dreamingsoul87 wrote:
I must say that spirituality, philosophy, and/or religion are all useless if they do not take on meaning in our lives. I don't see a point in having a thought or opinion unless it is used in one's life in some shape or manner.

So true. I often think Deists need to spend less time talking about Deism and spend more time figuring out how to live like a Deist. What does it mean to live the life of a Deist? How does a good Deist live? I speak of looking at life through Deist eyes. That's meaning.

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 Post subject: Re: Things of the spirit
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cclendenen wrote:
What does it mean to live the life of a Deist? How does a good Deist live?



Erm, continuing education, continuing growth and just being?

Maybe... just a hypothesis.


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 Post subject: Re: Things of the spirit
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nickdutch wrote:
cclendenen wrote:
What does it mean to live the life of a Deist? How does a good Deist live?



Erm, continuing education, continuing growth and just being?

Maybe... just a hypothesis.

We could do a lot worse. In fact, many religions do.

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